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With all these male writers in fannish media, let's face it, it's hard to find a male character to enjoy these days. I mean, a lot of them are just big Mary Sues with boring back stories and uninteresting plots. For every amazing male character like Charles Gunn or Midnighter (more awesome than Batman), we get a slew of disappointing male characters in their wake. At best, most male characters are annoyingly stereotypical and, at worst, are introduced as pointless eye candy.

I could've gone on forever, but here's 10. (Okay, there's actually 12, but we have some pairs who are basically the same characters, only taller or blonder.)

Superman

1. Superman

Fuck the "every man." Superman's boring and outdated. He's like Wonder Bread -- white and overly processed -- and if you notice, they discontinued Wonder Bread. Talk about a poor constructed back story: from a different planet whose sun exploded and the last of his kind. (Well, if you don't count Supergirl or Power Girl or Super Boy, or when all the Kryptonians come back.) I fell asleep watching Singer's Superman Returns. Plus, Superman's only weakness is kryptonite, which isn't common and really makes him a big Mary Sue. Every Man = Mary Sue.

Sam and Dean Winchester

2. Dean and Sam Winchester

They come in a pair because I don't want to waste words on just how boring they are. Whine, whine their mother was killed by demons and they spent their childhood being trained to hunt them. And now their girlfriends die all the time. Seriously, Batman had this parents killed in front of him when he was 8 and he learned to be a ninja and ran an empire. Instead of living on the brink of poverty and listening to classic rock. *yawn* Clearly, casting is also a problem, and Dean and Jensen only got the parts because some casting director found them pretty. They're the reason I quit watching the show at episode 3.

The Doctors

3. The Doctor

Jesus, what an asshole? I just want him to stay dead, but after 40+ years and 11 incarnations, he just keeps coming back. He's like a cockroach. Or syphilis. I get a lot of flak for thinking he's an asshole. But he is. The First Doctor left his granddaughter Susan in a post-apocalyptic world as he thought it was best that at 16, she stay stranded there with a man she's supposed to marry, who's clearly not a teenager. And don't even get me started on his more recent incarnations: mind-wiping his "best friend" and killing his own people. Not to mention how many people he says "Trust me. I'll save you; I promise" and then they die. If the Doctor told me that, I'd run the other way. What really tipped me was when he and Martha hid out in an era he knew she would be treated like a ignorant servant given she's black and a woman. And, oh yeah, he didn't have his Time Lord memory, so he treated her the same way. Dick.

Bill Adama

4. Bill Adama

Bill "I'm everyone's daddy" Adama is so incredibly self-centered. He's supposed to serve as an inspiration for his community and the survivors of a genocide. Instead, he spends a good part of his time crying over all the bad things that happen to him. And by bad things that happen to him, I mean bad things that happen to others, but he thinks are all about him. See: Roslin's cancer, Tigh killing his wife and then being a Cylon, Kara dying and coming back, his son becoming a lawyer, etc. I swear he had more pain over all those things than when Boomer shot him in the chest. His later season plotlines made me wish they'd kept Cain. At least she didn't cry in her scotch like a baby.

Rodney McKay

5. Rodney McKay

Sci-fi's biggest Mary Sue brought to you by the writers of Stargate Atlantis. Oh, but Rodney's special because he's a super genius with poor social skills and a lemon allergy so that gives him the right to be a whiney ass. Seriously, the only reason Rodney didn't make me want to gouge my own eyes out every episode is because of David Hewlett's acting skills. Of course, he's been in plenty of craptastic sci-fi original pictures so he's had the practice with bad scripts. If I was John Shepard, I'd have grounded Rodney permanently. I can't imagine how many alien cultures he pissed off with his rude, self-centered behavior. And the writers even had the gall to make him smarter than Neil deGrasse Tyson, who's a real scientist -- not a TV one -- and only ever made small children cry when he downgraded Pluto from planet status, not almost getting their mothers killed.

Derek Shepherd

6. Derek "McDreamy" Shepherd

So the guy has nice hair? What's the big deal? He lives on a plot of land on Lake Washington, in the wilderness and rides a ferry boat to work. Any idiot with a map of Seattle knows that 1) there is no undeveloped land around Lake Washington, especially not one with bears and 2) there are no fucking ferry boats on Lake Washington. He'd have to drive to work in Seattle's horrific traffic like the rest of us. Why didn't that bear just eat him? I mean, he keeps getting in the way of the show realizing the true love between Meredith and Cristina. What's a marriage via post-it note shit anyway? Meredith and Cristina are close enough to Canada to get married legally themselves as Washington is Canadian-adjacent. Why are the writers such haters?

James T. Kirk

7. James T. Kirk

A manwhore in every version. Seriously, Kirk flies around the universe like he owns it. No, it's more like a dog marking the universe by peeing on it. And by peeing, I mean, fucking alien princesses. His one true love always conveniently dies by the end of episode so all the cameras can be on him. When his best friend and lover, Spock dies in the line of duty, Kirk starts a war to get him back just when the Federation's on the verge of peace with the Klingon Empire. Kirk's always interfering with other cultures, breaking direct orders, and messing with time just because he wants to. Or because he wants to stick his penis in it. Slut.

Tony Stark Iron Man

8. Tony "Iron Man" Stark

Speaking of sluts, Tony Stark is the 21st Century's biggest manwhore. He's also a drunk. But we can forgive him because he's a really special genius boy. You know, who's special and a genius and also a good person unlike Stark, Pepper. But she constantly gets side-lined to see our genius paint his suit of armor the same color as his sports car. Also some "futurist" he is. His future vision killed his best friend and my favorite male Marvel superhero, Captain America. Tony killed his best friend. Yeah, I don't care how high of an IQ his privileged ass is supposed to have; I wouldn't let that asshole run national security or the Avengers or a Tonka Truck.

James Wilson

9. James Wilson

James "I'm a good guy" Wilson is actually an unhappy, meddling asshole, who can't keep a wife if all his nurses were suddenly male. He spends the majority of the day playing elaborate practical jokes on/with his best friend, that include cutting his best friend's cane in half. Does Wilson have something against the disabled? Does he get off on pain? I guess he does because he's supposed to be helping those with cancer, including the dying ones. But instead, he makes it all about him and his cancer patients thank and hug him for telling them they're dying. And there was that one time, he boned one of the dying ones. Way to abuse your power and privilege, Wilson, by sexually preying on dying women and hurting the disabled.

Spike and Angel

10. Angel and Spike

There were just so many bad male characters to put on this list, I guess I'll have to talk about both of them together. Let's start with how they were both not worthy of Buffy, the awesome vampire slayer. They tainted her by thinking they were her one true love. Make me yak. Both are practically the same character anyway.

Angel was all emo from having killed people when he didn't have a soul. So fucking emo all the time. I'm sorry, but being soulless is pretty much a get-out-of-jail free card. But with a soul, Angel lived in the freaking sewer until he started stalking a 15-year-old. The only time Angel was interesting was when he was evil, but he just would've killed everyone and Whedon hadn't gotten that sadistic with random deaths yet. Let's not even talk about his own show where he betrayed his friends and changed the whole entire world just for his son. Later, Angel destroyed an entire city for vengeance. I think he's more evil with the soul. Plus, they did a shit job at casting, I mean, David Boreanaz was an eye candy model, not an actor, and it showed.

Spike, now talk about another badly cast actor. I mean, give the man a freaking sandwich, especially in Season 6 where he's practically a walking skeleton with a sock on his junk. That and we had to listen to James Marsters continually dropping Spike's cockney accent. I'm American and it made my ears bleed; I can't imagine how British fans must've fared. Then there's Spike's "plots." More whining over love, you'd think BtVS had turned into a romantic comedy with all the moping Spike did over Buffy. Well, if the romantic comedy ended with Spike attempting to rape Buffy. When he finally died in the series' finale, I cheered loudly. But then his glowy, peroxided ass came back and ruined AtS Season 5. What an utterly pointless character.

A response to this post.

Who would you nominate?

on 2010-07-03 03:01 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] likeadeuce.livejournal.com
Uhhh. . .why is that post even on ONTD? My head hurts.

on 2010-07-03 03:54 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] viciouswishes.livejournal.com
I don't know. Completely not appropriate, except if the poster wanted a lot of comments.

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on 2010-07-03 03:13 am (UTC)
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Ahahaha, AWESOME. I agree with all these points -- at least for the ones I know of! -- and applaud you loudly and at length!

on 2010-07-03 05:12 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] viciouswishes.livejournal.com
Thanks. I think it's pretty easy to say any character is a bad character. I just wish fandom would say something besides "OMG, vagaina, bad." Because that's not a character trait.

on 2010-07-03 03:16 am (UTC)
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Eragon
Edward Cullen
Harry Potter
Batman
Xander Harris
Topher and Ballard
Wolverine

on 2010-07-03 04:40 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] seraphcelene.livejournal.com
Edward Cullen, Topher and Xander Harris.

OMG! Word!!

on 2010-07-03 05:22 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] viciouswishes.livejournal.com
I haven't read/see Twilight, but I'll put Edward's on my list.

Haven't seen/read HP.

Batman is so awful, and I nominate Kate Kane to be the new Batman figure. (Dick can keep the costume.)

Xander would've been my #11. I almost took McDreamy off the list to put him on. I hated how he treated Anya and Buffy and Cordy.

Who are Topher and Ballard?

Oh, Wolverine. I live in house with a boy who loves Wolverine & reads tons of Wolverine comics. I think there are about 8 Wolverine action figures in my living room current. Argh.

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on 2010-07-03 03:39 am (UTC)
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I kind of love you for making this post. And I would like to nominate Merlin from, well, Merlin who thinks he's all that just because he's the title character. Jeez, what a whiny man-boy.

on 2010-07-03 05:26 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] viciouswishes.livejournal.com
:D. I hate when title characters think they can be the center of the show. I mean, freaking Angel somehow kept upstaging Charles Gunn or how the Doctor had an episode in Season 4 without Donna, what was that?

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on 2010-07-03 03:42 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] velvetwhip.livejournal.com
I take it you don't watch NCIS or this list for sure would have included Tony DiNozzo, "adorably misunderstood" predatory manwhore who we're supposed to pity because his one true love left him...the one true love he was sleeping with as an undercover assignment. And don't get me started on the way he CONSTANTLY sexually harassed Caitlyn Todd. Bet she took that bullet in the head from Ari just to get away from DiNozzo. I would have.


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on 2010-07-03 03:46 am (UTC)
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Tony is on my list. I want him dead and gone, especially after how killing Ziva's boyfriend was ALL ABOUT TONY'S MANPAIN, and Ziva getting tortured was ALL ABOUT TONY'S MANPAIN, and Jeanne hating him was... you get the idea.

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on 2010-07-03 03:45 am (UTC)
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Posted by [identity profile] lyssie.livejournal.com
I wanted to be all "BUTBUT" at #3, but it is pretty damned true. even if I love him for his twisty expediency as #7 like nothing else

I nominate:

1. Will from Sanctuary. CLASSIC writer self-insert, who gets the cool job and is So Very Special that his new mentor has been watching him since he was a baby, waiting for him to Attain His Potential.

2. Tony DiNozzo from NCIS. Fratboy who's never gotten out of college and any moment where he might, possibly, gain adult status is ignored so he can go back to making inappropriate comments at his female co-workers, interviewees, suspects, women on the street, you name it. The writers should have pensioned him off to his own team long ago, he's even been offered his own team TWICE by this point.

We won't even talk about how Ziva leaving, getting captured and tortured was just a plaform for Tony to Angst on and Whine and how it was REALLY all about HIM, instead of Ziva. (ok, maybe we will)

3. Seeley Booth, Bones. Speaking of Mary Sue self-inserts. At least this time, Boreanaz can act, but somewhere around the fourth season, this show became All About Booth instead of about the women, and has sucked since then.

4. Jack O'Neill, Stargate. As soon as they made him a general, he was useless and annoying and pretty much sucked any enjoyment out of the show. It was so disappointing, how he stopped being somewhat interesting and was just awful.

5. Kerr Avon, Blake's 7. We're going oldskool, here. Sure, the man can deliver sardonic one-liners with the best of them, but he has no drive or motivation and the entire third series can be summed up as: "Avon suggest they do something pointless, everyone chases things, Servalan gets the ship, and then they get it back." It's obvious from early on that the writers decided he was their best character and invested all of their time in him, to the detriment of the others, especially the women. And Avon himself is a misogynistic asshole who occasionally got to viciously murder women for daring to cross him. If they'd killed Avon off early, the show might have been a lot better.

6. Jeff Goldblum's character, L&O: Criminal Intent. He is the reason I stopped watching. He was boring and a Bobby Goren rip-off with some Kenneth Branagh thrown in, who got the lion's share of the dialog and investigating, and was Always Right. He also knew all sorts of things, like how to play the piano and was constantly showing up Megan Wheeler.

7. All the men on Primeval, most especially Danny. The show is All About Them, and they're not that interesting. Their Angst runs the show and the women are framed in THEIR point of view in such a way that we only know the women in glimpses, and then the show practically apologizes for having the women there. Or does something like have Danny Sue save the day because he's a Cop With a Vengeance Thing. And, again, showing up the lead female character (who then proceeded to quit. As weak-willed women do.)

8. a. Sam Axe, b. Michael Westen, Burn Notice. a) I know. He is the fandom's darling and such a great guy. Who gets money and cars from older women that he swindles while being sleazy at every woman he meets. I usually want to punch him in the face. b) Westen, otoh, spends most of his time All About His Man-Pain. NOTHING is more important than his man-pain, and only HE is allowed to have a life worth discussing.

9. Pete Latimer, Warehouse 13. Stereotypical "I think outside of the box" white male, who is grating and obnoxious, and mostly needs to get punched a lot. I was so hoping that a show from Rockne O'Bannon wouldn't have an annoying male lead, and yet (and then I remember he is writing the comics, and, well, maybe David Kemper was all the good in Farscape)

10. Jack Carter, Eureka. This show is All About Jack. It shouldn't be. It's an ensemble, and Jack shouldn't always save the day. And yet he does, it's always a matter of "stupid brain" vs "geniuses", and "stupid brain" always wins out.

...I cannot believe I managed ten. O.o
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on 2010-07-03 04:04 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] velvetwhip.livejournal.com
2. Tony DiNozzo from NCIS. Fratboy who's never gotten out of college and any moment where he might, possibly, gain adult status is ignored so he can go back to making inappropriate comments at his female co-workers, interviewees, suspects, women on the street, you name it. The writers should have pensioned him off to his own team long ago, he's even been offered his own team TWICE by this point.

We won't even talk about how Ziva leaving, getting captured and tortured was just a plaform for Tony to Angst on and Whine and how it was REALLY all about HIM, instead of Ziva. (ok, maybe we will)

6. Jeff Goldblum's character, L&O: Criminal Intent. He is the reason I stopped watching. He was boring and a Bobby Goren rip-off with some Kenneth Branagh thrown in, who got the lion's share of the dialog and investigating, and was Always Right. He also knew all sorts of things, like how to play the piano and was constantly showing up Megan Wheeler.



You are so one of my favorite people right now.


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on 2010-07-03 04:43 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] seraphcelene.livejournal.com
HA HA!!

Totally agree on #6. And oddly enough I LOVE #7 and 8 for all the reasons that you hate them.

Confession time...

on 2010-07-03 05:42 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] viciouswishes.livejournal.com
Oh, I totally love Tony Stark for all those reasons. :D I don't necessarily hate all the characters I ranted about.

on 2010-07-03 04:49 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] melyanna.livejournal.com
1) Daniel Jackson. At some point someone should have realized that the galaxy would be a lot safer if they stopped letting him touch artifacts.

2) Fox Mulder. Frequently too stupid to live, paranoid, whiny, and just plain annoying.

3) What's-his-name from CSI: Miami. Putting on and taking off sunglasses is not character development.

4) Sam Seaborn. The federal government does not revolve around you, buddy.

5) Lee Adama. The only good thing about your daddy issues is that the music Bear McCreary wrote for those scenes was awesome.

on 2010-07-03 06:07 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] viciouswishes.livejournal.com
1. Bwhaha. So freaking true. They had a lot of outs, and I haven't even seen all SG-1.

2. It was all about Scully for me when I watched it. My teen years bff would call me on the phone after XF episodes and gossip about how hot/awesome Scully was and ridiculous Mulder was. /'90s nostalgia now ending

3. Did you see the thing Colbert did about the sunglasses?

4. Lols.

5. Lee was one of the few characters whose plot I liked better in the later seasons.

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on 2010-07-03 04:54 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] seraphcelene.livejournal.com
OH! and I would nominate:

Topher Brink
Xander Harris
John Connor (series)
Wesley Crusher
Every damn Cullen, ever!
Spiderman

on 2010-07-03 06:09 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] viciouswishes.livejournal.com
Xander was almost on my list. I think Wesley Crusher is even on Wil Wheaton's list. I put up with a lot of Spider-Man's manpain, and then One More Day with his radioactive sperm came around...

on 2010-07-03 04:55 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] miera-c.livejournal.com
Seriously, Batman had this parents killed in front of him when he was 8 and he learned to be a ninja and ran an empire. Instead of living on the brink of poverty and listening to classic rock.

PREACH IT SISTER. So sick of the manpain on that show. Even the fucking angels have manpain for fuck's sake!

Rodney McKay. Sci-fi's biggest Mary Sue brought to you by the writers of Stargate Atlantis.

Don't get me started. Really. Though my second-biggest issue with Rodney after the Gary Stu aspect is that they would write him as growing in one scene and then completely discard it in the next if it was useful for some reason, and the reason was often to make Rodney the comic relief. They did that with everyone, including Sheppard, when they could score what they thought was a cheap laugh. Add it to the list of fail of the show.

I totally second Spike and Kirk. I hate Kirk. I hate every version of Kirk. Spike was awesome once upon a time, but the writers on those shows never grasped that just because they adore a character that doesn't mean the character should be around all the time.

I'd call out Gaius Baltar for special fail recognition. Imagine if someone had just executed this useless bastard in S1, how much less painful to watch that show would've been.

Sawyer from "Lost."

Owen Harper from "Torchwood" (He. Is. A. Rapist. End of discussion.)

Sylar from "Heroes" - a good villain for one season but much like the show, that was all he had in him.

Captain Archer from "Enterprise" - the scene chewing that rivaled Shatner! The horrible emoting! The inability of anyone else on the ship to do anything right so Archer always did every vital thing! Oy.

The Doctor from "Voyager" (BOOOOORING)

Oh and Nominated for Single Worst Recurring Character Ever: Lucius Lavin from SGA. Because a serial rapist isn't funny enough once, we have to bring him back again! *headdesk*

on 2010-07-03 05:00 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] velvetwhip.livejournal.com
Owen Harper from "Torchwood" (He. Is. A. Rapist. End of discussion.)

You said it.


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on 2010-07-03 05:11 am (UTC)
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Re: #3, I honestly think the 11th Doctor is fixing some of that. I've been rewatching some 10th Doctor stuff after watching 11, and... it's not like I had any illusions that 10 was a good person; I've always been one of the people who argue what he did to Donna was rape, and in any world where it was possible it would be defined as such. But somehow Russel T Davies entire run stockholmed even me into not realizing just how truly terribly evil that incarnation was until I had something to hold it up against, and given the "I'm glad he died, the incredible asshole" stance I was already at, that's remarkable. And I'm fairly confident, watching all these things, that 11 wouldn't have done them--not that he's not capable of some jerkishness, but he has a level of self-awareness that seemed to be completely lacking for a long time there, thank god.

ETA: Also, individual incarnations always have varied wildly. I never did much like One, who was Susan's grandfather, but have a deep fondness for Four and Seven. And poor Eight.
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on 2010-07-03 01:33 pm (UTC)
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Ten was such a huge asshole. With a God complex. I had a hard time watching his shows.

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on 2010-07-03 05:19 am (UTC)
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I could marry you for this list! thank you :)

Rodney was just... ugh. I get the whole "smart and no people skills" thing. I do. But at some point you need character development and to stop pissing people off, not pissing them off MORE. And the writers putting him together with Keller at the end? No. Just... no. Sheppard had his moments too. (Thats why I fix those personality traits with fic lol)

Um, any of the Twilight guys. Sparkles and Wolf-Boy need to be slapped. Can someone please let Kristen Streward drive her own damn truck for once?

Stabler on SVU. His righteous indignation makes me throw up in my mouth. Also, anyone who manhandles suspects like that shouldn't wear a badge. I can't even list the numerous civil rights abuses there's too many.

there's probably more but my mind is avoiding dumb males right now. Oh - but I do second the Lucius Lavine comment! Proof there's not one female writer on that staff, b/c hello serial rapist is a pretty accurate descriptor.

on 2010-07-03 05:30 am (UTC)
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Oh, man, the Stabler fail goes all the way back to the first season. Stabler fantasizes about killing perps, and he gets to stay, but a woman sleeps with a man who was a suspect but didn't actually commit the crime, and she gets put on a desk job? Riiiiiight.

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on 2010-07-03 05:32 am (UTC)
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yes, exactly! someone like that would've gotten a psych discharge ages ago. And while my love for mariska is endless, her character/cop would've been gone too. there's a line between being badass and just being abusive.

on 2010-07-03 05:51 am (UTC)
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Posted by [personal profile] tielan
*giggles like crazy*

I don't really watch enough TV shows to know all the characters, but I would certainly add:

Tony DiNozzo and his Manpain.

Hell, I like Tony, but geeze, can we get a little more about Ziva seeing as, I don't know, she's a trained assassin who killed her brother, learned to be an investigator in another country, got captured and tortured by an enemy, and has renounced her citizenship to a land where it's pretty much your fucking identity...and if she just 'happened' to have a dick between her thighs instead of a clit, the writers and fandom would be all over her?

on 2010-07-10 09:50 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] viciouswishes.livejournal.com
I tried to make it as multi-fandom as possible, but there were certainly shows that I could've done more than one character from.

and if she just 'happened' to have a dick between her thighs instead of a clit, the writers and fandom would be all over her?

There are so many awesome women characters like that. Fandom barely notices them. The same is also true for characters of color.

on 2010-07-03 07:41 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] ed-84.livejournal.com
This is awesome. And spot on on so many points.

And I'll add:

Patrick Jane - Mentalist. An asshole of the highest order, who often plays with people's lives and emotions for his own amusement, because he's just that fucked up. Has no qualms about breaking or twisting things in order to do whatever he wants, because apparently he is above the law? "You're good for anything short of murder." Lisbon has to clean up his messes, and she's the one that takes it in the teeth whenever he crosses a line - because god forbid, he be held accountable for his own actions. Arrogant, petulant, and everybody still loves him because... um, he's pretty? The epitome of the "white male lead who has special insight that no one else does" trope.

on 2010-07-03 08:40 am (UTC)
ext_1771: Joe Flanigan looking A-Dorable. (lisbon & jane - mentalist)
Posted by [identity profile] monanotlisa.livejournal.com
Yes! 'nother show I stopped watching.

But by God, Lisbon was awesome.

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Posted by [personal profile] amaresu - on 2010-07-10 08:44 pm (UTC) - Expand

on 2010-07-03 08:33 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] prozacpark.livejournal.com
I love you for this list. Even though I'm kind of in love with Tony Stark, I agree with your list. Especially on Spike, Adama, and Dean (I mean, I hate Sam just as much IN THEORY, but in practice, Dean is the one who makes me want to break through the fourth wall and punch him senseless). I would also add:

1). Chief Tyrol. Just thinking about him and fandom's love for him makes me want to punch people. Boomer's a Cylon? Oh, noes, the pain of BETRAYAL he has to suffer. Cally's suffering from postpartum depression? How inconvenient for Tyrol! Not to mention when he killed Tory as the risk of dooming mankind forever by ruining the truce.

2). Scott Summers. The scene in X-Factor where Jean is all, "I'm sorry Maddie is dead" and his response is basically, "Don't worry! I only married her because she looked like you!" GAH! And his manpain in that is epic. Poor Jean is back from the dead trying to figure out the missing years of her life and finding a way to fit back in, and Maddie is recovering her memories, worried over Scott's disappearance, raising a baby alone, *and* being kidnapped by his enemies, but somehow...his pain of having to PICK BETWEEN THE TWO OF THEM is *so* much more important that we keep coming back to it. SO MUCH HATE, OH GOD.

3). Piotr Rasputin. I hate him SO much and would never understand how people who supposedly LIKE Kitty could ship her with this abusive, creepy fucker who wanted to marry her and take her to Russia when she was FOURTEEN so he could control her better. Seeing Kitty get back with him in Joss's run made me feel like she was getting pulled back into an abusive relationship, but for Joss, it's true love. *hates*

4). Derek Reese. His manpain in season two is epic, and the conclusion of one particular arc made me wish really, really hard for his immediate death.

5). Wesley Wyndam-Pryce. I have epic, epic hatred for him and all his manpain that took over the show to such a degree that TWO women got sacrificed at the altar of his manpain. And the show never saw issues with how he tried writing both Fred and Lilah into his problematic narratives. His in-text Madonna/Whore complex rivaled Joss's, and I could never get past that.

6). Lee Adama. Epic manpain of brooding boredom seems to run in the family, and Adama's and Lee's manpain just fed each other's until it became this black-hole of suckage that consumed anything that might have otherwise been interesting about either character. I hate that canon saw him as "too good to cheat," but Kara was a 'slut,' and Dee was just insecure.

7). Xander Harris: I think a lot of the fans are fond of Xander because he's apparently okay with having powerful women in his life. When I feel that his entire arc is about how INSECURE he is with that fact? He's weirdly controlling towards the women in his life, like when he totally knew what was good for Buffy at the end of season two better than she did, and canon never questioned this decision. Not to mention "The Pack," where he, um, tried to rape Buffy and we were told that the powers he received only removed the inhibitions so he could act on his feelings. And that apparently wasn't an issue at all.

on 2010-07-03 05:41 pm (UTC)
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Posted by [identity profile] ladyjax.livejournal.com
So agree with you about Chief Tyrol on so many levels, least of which: he beat Cally down and then ends up marrying her. Then he goes through the whole, "OMG, I don't really like you" phase when he becomes a Cylon. And lastly, killing Tory because she airlocked Cally while trying to protect the secrets of the Cylons on the ship.

I was so angry that he got to walk away at the end. I wanted his ass dead.

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Posted by [identity profile] viciouswishes.livejournal.com - on 2010-07-10 10:20 pm (UTC) - Expand

on 2010-07-03 11:30 am (UTC)
usedtobeljs: (Anya Somebody by Magpie)
Posted by [personal profile] usedtobeljs
That ONTD post is appalling. :-(

[hugs and heroines]

on 2010-07-10 10:21 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] viciouswishes.livejournal.com
*hugs and heroines indeed*

on 2010-07-03 01:41 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] zulu.livejournal.com
I LOVE THIS LIST.

on 2010-07-10 10:22 pm (UTC)

on 2010-07-06 03:13 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] asugar.livejournal.com
Hear, hear on McKay! Nice to have someone articulate just what annoys me about how the character is written in the vast majority of fandom.

on 2010-07-10 10:25 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] viciouswishes.livejournal.com
Given the SGA writer room's McKay didn't surprise me as a character. And unfortunately, fandom's unconditional love of him didn't either. He fits the bill (white, male, buddy of other white male character), and I can understand why somewhat social awkward geeks (I include myself in this billing) could easily identify with him. However, McKay's constant woobification in fandom was annoying.
Posted by [identity profile] mfirefly10.livejournal.com
I love this list SO HARD. And you for making it:)

This has to be my favorite bit:

6. Derek "McDreamy" Shepherd

Why didn't that bear just eat him? I mean, he keeps getting in the way of the show realizing the true love between Meredith and Cristina. What's a marriage via post-it note shit anyway? Meredith and Cristina are close enough to Canada to get married legally themselves as Washington is Canadian-adjacent. Why are the writers such haters?


♥ ♥ ♥

Why did the writers put Meredith with McDouchey when the person of her dreams was so readily available?! They must not like Meredith very much...
Posted by [identity profile] viciouswishes.livejournal.com
I'm glad you enjoyed the list.

As much as I appreciate GA's dedication to quality female friendships, I do wish they'd hook up Christina and Meredith.

on 2010-07-31 01:33 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] yetanothermask.livejournal.com
I &hearts &hearts &hearts this post, especially the parts about Adama and Tony. Funny, you're the first person I've ever met on LJ who admits Tony Stark is an asshole. I spent the entirety of Iron Man 2 wanting to rip his head off.

on 2010-08-17 12:16 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] viciouswishes.livejournal.com
Tony Stark is pretty much written as the quintessential rich, genius asshole if you've read the comic books. I think sometimes people just have too big of a crush on RDJ (who's very attractive, imo) to call him like he is.

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